MARTIN: Well, hello, this is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast podcast. And today with me is Trinn Hatch and his mom Mary-Anne Hatch. And I'm here to introduce to you this most amazing technology, Tibetan herbs or Tibetan herbology. And Trinn Hatch is the founder or co-founder and also the CEO of the company. And we'll be talking about just how amazing this stuff is. Trinn, welcome.

TRINN: Yes, thank you very much for having me on the show. It's a wonderful blessing to be here with you. I'm excited to speak with you because I've reviewed the work that you've been doing over the past few decades, and it's very much in alignment with what our ethos is and what we're doing, and offering really beautiful, radiant botanical and mineral medicine to the world. What nature has in store for us to heal and to prosper and to have radiant health. It's right there at our fingertips. But that knowledge, it seems to have been distorted over time. And we're really trying to bring that back.

MARTIN: Yeah, I appreciate the fact that this is very, very old technology reaching back millennia. And yet when we look under the hood, we see concepts like, what are the beautiful words that go with the plants? Things like terpenes and,

TRINN: Yes, flavonoids.

MARTIN: Flavonoids, those kind of words. And we're going to dive into that. But before anything, what I really would like to do is just start with your mom's story. I think that's going to reveal just what happens, right?

MARTIN: Yeah.

MARY-ANNE: Thank you, thank you. So everyone has a story, and it's really important that we don't compare our story to others, but draw inspiration and hope from others’ story. So I'm hoping that it's through that lens that I can share my story with you. So at a very, very sweet point in my carefully curated life, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor on my pineal gland, and I was living in Costa Rica at the time, and the decision was made that we needed to remove this tumor and get it out quickly. It was rather large and affecting many elements of me, and one of the concerns was that it was pressing on an area of the visual cortex, and they felt that if the tumor grew any more, that I would become blind. 

So off we went to surgery. Five surgeries ensued over a period of four weeks. And during that time I was in a coma. I lost my life and crossed over. And I had a husband and surgeon who colluded after agreeing to a do not resuscitate order from me that I didn't want to come back into a broken body if I couldn't be me, and they had both agreed. But in Costa Rica I came to find out it's not enforceable, it's just up to the doctor. 

So I was pulled back into a very severely broken body where I couldn't walk, talk, dress myself, feed myself, or even really think coherently. And for a woman who has a high IQ, who's run corporations and companies and traveled the world and kind of been the master of my own journey to become less than me was humbling, to say the least. 

And so during this period of not knowing how to proceed and all the things that had gone wrong, which included two strokes and losing 50% of my peripheral vision. So I'm completely blind on the left side of both eyes, because it's brain damage. And consulting with the top neurosurgeons through Trinn, who was my medical advocate of epic proportions and a warrior, he went after every top name around the world, and the conclusion was from the one doctor we went to see, there's nothing that can be done for you. Learn to be blind. You'll never be who you once were. And I can tell you I am who I once was. And I think a better version of me.

MARTIN: Yeah. You know what this reminds me of?

MARY-ANNE: I leaned into other options. Right?

MARTIN: Yeah. This reminds me of many other stories I hear where you encounter the medical and the authority who knows of himself or herself to be really top of the field, declares that there's nothing that can be done for you, and therefore you are sentenced hereby to a life of limitation.

MARY-ANNE: Absolutely. And so we all have a decision to make at that point. We either accept because he's got the letters after his name, or you go still and you go within and you ask your own inner guidance system, is this true for me? Is there a better way for me? And I didn't have a better way. I just hoped. And then Trinn came along and said, well, mom, let's see what we can do. And what I've seen is this miraculous journey over the last ten years with Jampha and Trinn and his evolution into Tibetan medicine, which allowed me to sleep, which allowed me to get rid of the inflammation in my body, which allowed me to be a lot calmer under all that stress.

Then eventually, putting me into a place where through his White Elephant Brain Formula that was developed for my brain, I was just firing on all fours again.

MARTIN: Okay, so let's contrast this. So there you are in a wheelchair, unable to walk, dress yourself. Were you able to feed yourself?

MARY-ANNE: Yeah, but I didn't have much appetite back then. There was no motivation to do anything. I was just checked out emotionally. 

MARTIN: Okay, well, of course, who would not be? I mean, your life as you knew it was over, right? So, were you completely blind at that point or just the peripherals?

MARY-ANNE: No, 50% cortical cuts. So just imagine from 12 to 6 on a clock and the whole left field is gone. I also lost the ability to recognize faces. So, facial recognition was damaged and gone. And my brain could no longer interpret what it was seeing. So, I knew the images were coming to my brain. But brain is a processor, not the eyes. And my brain was like, I don't know what you're looking at. And so everything was very confusing, for a very long time. And I think the fact that I was in my 50s and had led such a big life and had banked so many data points and visual images, what began to happen organically, which was quite a stunning realization, was that I would hear someone's voice and it would be say Trinn, and I'm looking at him and I know it's the person because there's two eyes, nose and a mouth that's moving, and teeth. But I couldn't put it together as my son. But the minute I would hear his voice, my brain would send me an image of Trinn as I remembered him.

MARTIN: Aha.

MARY-ANNE: And I had to learn to reconnect with people in my life. Because all that was severed through this brain damage.

MARTIN: So was it the left brain that got damaged mostly?

MARY-ANNE: Well, the visual cortex is on the right at the back. And so they literally cut my whole skull open and what they call the bone flap. Then they bury the bone flap into your body to keep it viable and alive whilst you're going through this. So, I actually had no bone around my brain for almost a month. So imagine your brain being so swollen that Humpty Dumpty, couldn't be put back together, so it must have been a very glamorous look.

MARTIN: Alright. So let's contrast that whole situation now with your today. Much of which you say you're crediting to the Tibetan medicines that you were given.

MARY-ANNE: Yeah, so I couldn't sleep. So Trinn formulated a product called Sleep, because of the pineal gland damage. So that's the only way I could sleep because I was on the heavier Big-Pharma medicine, but I was drowsy, dry mouth just couldn't get going the next day. And that's no way to live. So when I started using the sleep formula, I'd wake up in the morning, there was no hangover and I was refreshed. 

So that and other products that rid the inflammation in my brain and my body, my brain was still very inflamed. And when I came back out of my coma and after my NDE, I was hooked up to 12 machines that kept me alive. And so when they were all withdrawn and my systems were reverted to me. I couldn't put it together for a very long time and underwent four months of therapy at the University of Utah, which was speech therapy, cognitive therapy, physical therapy, etc. And that was my full time job for four months, Monday to Friday, nine hours a day. I was being worked on. 

And I think what I learned then was perseverance is everything in your fight for your well-being and survival. And then if you can draw together a team of people who are willing to encourage you, because every day is another struggle, you think you walked ten feet, so you you're celebrating. And then now you have to walk 50ft and you're like, are you kidding me? This took everything I had. 

So your whole, I now remember what it must have been like as a toddler, because I had to relearn everything. I had to rebrand all my words, my vocab, blah blah blah. But when you have a team of people who are willing to lean in and listen to you and allow you to be the commander of your own body, because no one knows what's going on in me. Not Trinn. Not you. Only me. And so to be heard and to have a voice so that people are really listening to what you're self-diagnosing, this happens, this feeling, this reaction. Then you have a team that can help you find solutions because they're not judging you because you're not a doctor.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah. It's really interesting that thanks to the modern technology, you survived the event.

MARY-ANNE: Yeah.

MARTIN: But unfortunately, they didn't know how to restore you back to function. They only were able to leave you as found rather than evolving, right?

MARY-ANNE: I would imagine that in their mind, I'm alive. I'm sort of functioning. They didn't know me the way I was. Okay. And what I realized, too, was that I had developed a set of five very specific neurological and vision related deficits that, as a combo is a one off in the world. It's nice to be unique, but I'd rather make my mark somewhere else.

MARTIN: And so were you able to restore function from then or you're still,

MARY-ANNE: Yeah, mostly there. And really the last push was when Trinn developed with Amchi this White Elephant, which was really the nootropic. It was like putting oil into your car that every time you change the gear, there was that little bit of crunch and you knew you had to get clean oil in there, but you put it off, put it off. So my life had been functioning but grating, everything was rough. And so after I underwent this White Elephant protocol for three months and I kind of thought, yeah, it's too good to be true. I really did. And I'm thinking, this is my son, too good to be true. He's trying, but too good to be true. 

But at the end of that three months, you know what I did? I took myself on a three month journey around the world and all the places that I lived on my own, to reframe and recalibrate how I saw the traumas of my life, to bring my brain back to its most pure, innocent form that I could, leaning into epigenetics. And I couldn't have done that without the help that Trinn gave me. And you're talking about the last time I flew anywhere, I was still getting wheelchair service to the gate. Right? 11 flights, four countries. And I had me back. And that was such a victory for me. I was me again. And who else do we want to be in life, is to be our best. So, son, it worked.

MARTIN: Fantastic. It's great. Well, I guess that there's nothing more important for a son to do right by his mother.

TRINN: That's right. You feel helpless when family members go through things like this, you feel like there's nothing you can do. But if you still have hope and you just maintain a positive outlook, like there's the potential that something could happen here to change the way things are going. And the universe is marvelous at making miracles happen. That's one of the things I've learned through mom's story and other stories we've been a part of, and it never gets old hearing it.

MARTIN: Trinn, let's talk about the technology. How did you even end up with Tibetan medicine?

TRINN: Yeah, it's a long story, but I'm going to give you the short version. I was injured myself. I broke my leg very severely, and they wanted to amputate it and remove it. I went through a few different surgeries and was in external fixation. I ended up on disability with a bunch of medications, 16 or 17 medications every day, and just after five years of that got to the point I didn't want to live like that. 

And so I started looking for solutions for myself, and at the time was also looking for solutions for mom, and it led me towards at the time, hemp and CBD, cannabinoids and terpenes. And that was what I initially started to experiment with. And we created a company, developed very effective formulas, and we're doing very well with that. 

But I soon realized that while cannabinoids and terpenes were amazing, I was missing a whole ocean of healing that I wasn't tapping into with the botanical and the mineral kingdoms. And I actually, I enrolled to do a PhD program to learn herbal pharmacology. And my wife, I didn't tell her about it. She got very upset and said, why are you doing that? You're not going to have any time for us. Have you thought this through? And I hadn't really thought it through. I just knew that we needed that piece for what we were trying to do. 

And so a few weeks later, we were at an event with a group of friends and family, and one of our dear friends said, let's all put something into the fire that we wish for humanity to make the world a better place. And so every everybody wrote down a noble intention for the world. And my wife nudged me and said, write down, you want to find somebody who knows how to do all of that stuff so you don't have to do it. And I thought, all right, well, let's try it out. And I wrote down on a piece of paper something like, we want to manifest the universe to manifest for us somebody that's already a master of herbal medicine that understands the connection between the mind, body and the spirit and can put into words what we've been experiencing ourselves, but really don't have any context to explain because it's so far beyond what we're able to comprehend at the time. And two weeks later, Karina, she received a LinkedIn message from a gentleman named Amchi Thubten Lekshe and the message said something like.

MARTIN: Okay slow down so you can make it more understandable. Amchi, how?

TRINN: Amchi is a title for a Tibetan physician. It means master physician and his given name is a lineage holder of Sowa-Rigpa, which is Tibetan medicine, is Thubten Lekshe and so we had no idea what that name meant either. We had no idea that it was even a Tibetan term. And my wife came to my office and said, do you know somebody named Amchi? And I said, no. And she said, well, I just got a long email from him on LinkedIn, and he wants to come to our facility and he's talking about terpenes. And I went, oh, okay, well, if he's talking about terpenes, he's my kind of guy. Still not knowing what an Amchi was, I said, tell him to come on in. And a few months later, he showed up at our facility and it was like we'd known each other for a long, long time. Just that resonance between us. And we were kind of looking at each other, trying to figure each other out.

MARTIN: Well who knows, you may have spent some lives together in a different body, right?

TRINN: And that's what we're coming to know, is that there's been a history between us, and we've come together in this life in a very beautiful way to really express what Tibetan medicine has held sacred and true for more than 2500 years. But as you touched on before, to really bring the advances of modern medicine into that expression and advance what these sacred botanical medicines are able to do with the benefits of modern pharmacology.

MARTIN: Yeah they've done it mostly by spiritual insight and by experimentation. And they learned the information, the knowledge, without the analytical chemistry and all of the bits that we have where we can actually put labels on it and know exactly the whys of the molecular structure. They knew it in a different way. Right?

TRINN: Yeah. It's fascinating.

MARTIN: Let's talk about that. Where does it all come from? Like, how old is this thing?

TRINN: More than 2500 years old. The lineage is attributed to the Medicine Buddha. His name is Menla. And the Medicine Buddha basically paved the path for healing from all of the diseases that can become us. And so that lineage began many thousands of years ago, but continued to be handed down verbally, in an unbroken line of Tibetan physicians. Around the eighth century Yuthok Yonten was a Master Tibetan physician, and he called a conference where he brought in all of the masters of healing from the neighboring areas and held a conference and brought together all of the botanical knowledge and mineral knowledge and the studies and the information that they could, and combined that into a medical text for Tibetan medicine called the Tibetan Tantras, and that became an encyclopedia for everything that had been learned.

MARTIN: The body of the work. Right?

TRINN: Yeah, yeah. Pictures of every single plant. What their characteristics and attributes are. The time of the day that they should be harvested, the time of the year that they should be harvested. Just really in-depth information, not only on how to draw from nature to support healing, but to maintain homeostasis within nature. So we're not causing damage to nature by taking too much. And so making sure that there was always more for next time is a huge part of Tibetan medicine.

MARTIN: Yeah. That point should not just be left un-underscored.

TRINN: It's very important.

MARTIN: Because the industrial ways are essentially a rape and pillage approach. It's the, I don't know, what what's the word for it, it's not coming into my brain, but it's an exploitation. Right. It's like. I'm coming here to this endless resource and I'm going to take from it everything it has. Don't care if I kill it.

TRINN: Yeah, right. Very different approach.

MARTIN: Yeah. All right. So that's important. Let's put an underscore under that.

TRINN: You know, this lineage of Tibetan medicine is very similar to Ayurveda. Ayurveda is the Indian healing science of India. And so there's very similar parallels that run between these two. And oftentimes in the bordering countries in Tibet it's called Tibetan Ayurveda rather than Tibetan medicine. So it's interesting to compare and look at the two. I'm actually going to an Ayurvedic event this weekend, and it's interesting to see how much they resonate with the principles of Tibetan medicine and the medicine itself.

MARTIN: Yeah, that I can relate to. I've read at the amateur level, really, understanding the three doshas and understanding the body types and it kind of relates back to the endocrine dominances that we're born with, the how we're shaped, how we express ourselves against or into the world. That part I can relate to. But there's more to it.

TRINN: Yeah, there's a lot more to it. Tibetan medicine for me is really addressing the causes of the problems and supporting the body in fixing the causes and repairing the causes to those problems. When I was on all of my medications, it just seemed like half of them were just for symptoms and I couldn't get my head around it. Like, why do I need to take another pill? Because this pill is making me feel bad. It didn't make any sense to me, and then learning more of Tibetan medicine and experiencing it, that was never an issue. One of the things I love about it.

MARTIN: Yeah, I've had plenty of that experience too. And indeed, what we're trying to show people here at Life Enthusiast is that resolution of the root cause is the key to dealing with a problem. So long as you're not removing the blocking factors, you're never going to express your intended life mission or whatever it is that you need to know. As soon as you mentioned the understanding, the root causes of things, you're singing from my songbook.

TRINN: And that's what I thought when I heard you mention that the first time when I listened to your podcast, I thought, this is my guy, I like this.

MARTIN: All right.

MARY-ANNE: May I just inject a thought? We talk about the innate wisdom of plant medicine and the organic nature of it, and whilst I've been a beneficiary of it, I didn't really understand it. For example, when you go into Jampha's labs, there's solfeggio music playing 24/7. And Trinn said, well, just because we leave at the end of the day doesn't mean, all the products, they have their own intelligence and that music can still work with them. I went, okay, well, that sounds like an interesting concept. But, during Lionsgate portal on the eighth, I was doing a meditation, and I really asked to be taught and to really understand this world that I knew nothing about. 

And I had this extraordinary experience that was given to me, which I'm still marveling at, where I saw the spiritual entity of every living plant and I could hear its vibration. And I remember looking at this tree thinking, I see more than a tree. I'm seeing life. I was seeing the sap just running through its branches and leaves and what that did for me was this, it clicked into place that when we put in something that is organically natural into our body to heal their intelligence works with my intelligence and they find the solution together. And for me, once that fell into my understanding and now I understand the power of plant medicine and what Jampha does, finally.

MARTIN: That's great.

MARTIN: Now here's something. See, like I'm going to reach behind me here and just bring into view a few pieces of minerals. Right. And those things are also involved. Right? Like you talked about the plant life and the movement, but plant is a little less mobile than an animal. It stays in one place. Their movement is mostly in growth and reaching from the root. Well, these things are even slower than that. They stay put and yet they have a lot to offer in the sense of vibrational interaction with us. Right?

TRINN: Yes. We use them throughout many processes in our lab, the way that we structure our water before it even begins in a formula we use herkimer diamonds from Arkansas, from Mount Ida, they come from a very, very beautiful place there. And we use those to create an energy field for our ORMUS to be nucleated as well. I'm sure that we'll get into speaking about ORMUS later, but I learned very, very quickly dealing with PTSD myself, that solfeggio has a way of entraining your brain into a different cycle of thought very quickly.

MARTIN: Very good. Yes.

TRINN: It became a huge part of my healing process, and it's a part of our creation process now.

MARTIN: Awesome. A very, very important point. I guess we humans have the physical and the mental and the emotional and the spiritual bodies. And if we ignore that, if we focus perhaps on just the physical, we're missing an important part of what's going on.

TRINN: Yeah, that was my experience. I focused on the physical for my healing for five years, and it really didn't get me any closer to being whole. It wasn't until I realized and took into consideration the aspects of mind and heart and spirit, and really focused on them with equal importance that my healing trajectory began in a powerful way, and it's continued to this day.

MARTIN: Great. Okay. So when you get a little bottle, I don't know, do you have one handy that you could just hold out? Yeah there we go. So these just contemplate that right. You have a bottle that's in a lovely blue glass. There's a vibrational thing to that. And then there's the label. There's a vibrational part to the label.

TRINN: Yes, absolutely. And these labels have had a lot of effort put into them by Amchi to make sure that they have that energetic aspect. A lot of people will pick the bottle up and they'll feel it before they even put it into their body, and they'll call us or they'll email us and say: "Wow, I just got my package. I can't believe it feels this way. I can't wait to open it." And normally you get that message after they open it, but there's a very real life force energy that's unique in every one of these products. And a lot of work goes into making sure that life force energy is as powerful as it is when it goes into the bottle, is when you take it out of the bottle and experience it yourself.

MARTIN: All right. So what's important to be said here now is that every health condition that's less than perfection it always has a vibrational component, has a physical component, and perhaps a spiritual component, too. That one we will have a hard time sharing. But the product as you have it definitely delivers both the physical and the vibrational, which is important.

TRINN: Yeah, it sure is. I'll share an experience with you from when I was well about halfway through my studies with Amchi, I was learning how to create protocols with the products and help people establish a healing trajectory. And I had in a week, 3 or 4 people that I was working with come back in a follow up consultation and say: "You know, I'm not feeling like I'm getting results. It just doesn't seem to be working for me. I don't know what it is, it's blah, blah, blah." And I thought, wow, what am I doing wrong? 

And so I went back to Amchi and actually went to his home and sat with him and said, here's the consultations, this is what's happening, what am I missing? And he went quiet for a few minutes as he does, and he kind of came back and said, we need to support their hearts. And I said, well, they don't have heart issues. Why do we need to support their heart? And he said: "Well, they have trauma and emotions that are locked in the neural network of their heart that they can't get rid of. And we need to be able to help them to dissolve those emotions and those feelings because they're a block to them healing on a physical level." 

And I went: "Woah, okay, so how do we do that?" And he said "I'll create a formula." And he actually created a formula within a few months called Healing Heart. And we tested that with each of those three ladies and a few other people that had popped up with similar obstacles, and all of them just had miraculous experiences, with a gentle purging of those blocks to their healing.

MARTIN: And so here we are. Many of our conditions are a result of a broken heart, if you want to put it that way. In technical terms, post-traumatic stress injury. And it's living with us, within us. And until we're able to unwind it, it's going to control our lives.

TRINN: Absolutely.

MARTIN: So the person listening to this here, now. Right. Who of us does not have some sort of critical event in our lives that has caused some emotional damage? And it needs to be released. Until it's released, it's going to control us.

TRINN: Very true.

MARY-ANNE: And really, isn't that the journey to become our authentic best self and trusting our inner guidance system? Because when the heart shuts down, it's hard to feel whole. You feel disconnected from who you are. And I think Trinn's approach to like a whole approach rather than a symptomatic approach, creates the best in all of us to be able to say, this is what I'm feeling, this is what feels off, and we go into that inner world of power, which is our own guidance system.

And I think the heart is, I know my heart was broken after the trauma that I went through. I didn't care anymore. And if you don't care about yourself, you can't care about anyone else. And so you do, you go through this, this battle within. And when the heart, I lived my whole life in my brain. So imagine having my intellect cut out from under me and the distance between our brain and our heart is so close, I couldn't get there. And it took what it took for spirit to put me into my heart, because that's where my greatest power actually lay. And I just didn't know, I thought it was in my brain. Lessons are hard.

MARTIN: All right. And would you ascribe any of that to any of the medicines or concoctions that you used or no? Is it more like a personal spiritual development? 

MARY-ANNE: Yeah, I think it was more of personal spiritual development supported by the brain becoming less angry. I think that was part of the getting rid of the inflammation that agitates. But I think if we really, truly want wellness in our life, it has to be a full intention. It can't be a passing thought when the symptoms appear. It's in diet, it's in exercise, it's in meditation. It's in how we serve ourselves and serve one another. That's all part of the best of the human condition.

MARTIN: Mhm. Yes. Back to the vibrational qualities of these supplements. Back to the Healing Hearts. Right.

TRINN: Yeah.

MARTIN: Okay. So let's talk more about the specifics. So you have this entire body of a product line that's quite large and broad.

MARTIN: Yeah.

TRINN: Every time we have something...

MARTIN: Yeah, highlight the categories. Right? There are several types of them.

TRINN: Yeah. So we started out with what we call synergy enhanced terpene infusions. And that is creating unique terpene profiles that help direct and support different aspects of healing. And those terpene profiles we put with cannabinoid CBD oil. So we have what are called our SETI infusions, which is our original line. And those are available with CBD or without CBD. They're water based. They contain liquid extracted botanicals. 

That's really our first line that we created. And we have seven formulas within that line. And that can be looked at as, you know what you would go to the pharmacy to buy over the counter when the kids have a cold, or if somebody's got a little bit of a lung problem or some supports needed with focus or sleep, like it was in mom's case. 

And then we have our advanced Tibetan infusions and our advanced Tibetan infusions are really, really an advanced expression of plant medicine that hasn't been seen before. It's taking the traditional Tibetan botanical pharmacology and increasing its expression by reintroducing the terpenes that are lost at the time of drying. 

And that's actually what drew Amchi to us in the first place is on our website, we'd mentioned that terpenes were a spiritual support or a support to spiritual healing. And Amchi said, well, in my training in the Himalayas, I was taught that terpenes are the life force energy of plants. And much like mom was seeing the energies of the plants as they were harvesting in the Himalayas, and he was going through his training, he was watching the life force energy of the drying botanicals leave, and he asked one of the master physicians and said, you know, why are we letting this go? Shouldn't this be part of what's helping to heal? 

And he said, yes, but we can't we can't keep them in the product. It's not their time yet. It hasn't been made possible with modern science. And so now with terpene extraction and terpene isolation, we're able to isolate more than 300 terpenes and bring unique terpene combinations into the botanical formula to increase its expression. And so that's our advanced Tibetan infusions. And they range from antibiotics. We have an antibiotic that's called Turquoise Dragon. It's an antiviral, antibacterial. I was told by Amchi that would replace a large portion of antibiotics that we rely on now. Doesn't cause any problems with the body. It's actually very supportive to the gut biome.

We have a formula for helping the body to identify and remove cancerous cells, it's called Blue Lotus Peacock. Another formula called White Tiger, which is for multiple sclerosis, for arthritic pain, polyarthritic joints, for neuroregeneration. 

The formula that we created for mom, I went to Amchi shortly after meeting him and and kind of sheepishly said: "Amchi, you got anything for helping to regenerate neurons in the brain and the visual cortex?" He kind of looked at me with a smirk on his face and said: "What do we need that for?" And I said: "Well, my mom's lost her vision." And he said: "Yeah, we can help her. We can do that." And I went: "Okay, man, let's see it." And, you know, still, half of me was like, every doctor in the world said this is impossible. How is this going to be possible? 

And watching the restoration that it's supported my mom to achieve, that in itself is enough fuel for the fire to keep me going for a long time. Because it was really a miraculous thing to watch and to experience and to be part of for the last ten or more years it must have been now.

A formula that's really exciting, that's one of our most popular formulas is our Shilajit formula. Amchi, his description of it is the most advanced expression of Shilajit on the planet. We use Shilajit that comes from Nepal and Bhutan, one of the most sacred and pure places that it can be extracted, and then use adaptogenic botanicals that are selected to enhance and increase the absorption of the Shilajit. And on top of that, we include nanodiamonds. Nanodiamonds are kind of new to science, but we purchase them from a lab in the UK that we've been working with for a while now, and they increase the life force energy expression of the formula pretty significantly and it can actually be tested. And so that formula my dad tested for us actually, and he used it for about 3 or 4 months and went and had a genetic age test done during his physical, and they told him that he was about my age. And I think Dad's what, 72 now? So he was very happy to hear that 71. Okay, a little early on that.

MARTIN: That would be my age.

TRINN: Yeah. So that would be one for for you to give a few months with Martin and really, really experience it. Yeah.

MARTIN: I'm game for staying here for a while longer if I'm allowed.

TRINN: Yes, yes.

MARY-ANNE: Martin, one thing you do have to watch with this Shilajit, though. The byproduct is my husband used to be blond, and he went totally white.  Started taking the shilajit and the blond is coming back. So the minerals are working on his hair follicles, and it's getting the nutrition. And his natural hair color is starting to come back. And we're kind of going. You may get your hair back.

MARTIN: Well, I'm not opposed to that idea.

TRINN: One of our more exciting newer formulas is called Lyme Fungus Mold (Ly-Fu-Mo). And that's been a huge hit for us because we constantly run into people who are dealing with not only a lyme infection, but they live in a moldy house and they got fungus on their toenail. And it's very hard for the body to fight off on three fronts, all three things. And this formula really empowers the body to do so.

MARTIN: I don't know if the people listening to it realize that, but 50% of homes in the United States are water damaged, which gives rise to fungus. Whether you see it or don't see it, it's there. And it's very much like a headwind. You can still walk in the windstorm, but if you walk half a day in a windstorm, you're coming home very tired. And I think the Lyme has a similar well, not Lyme, fungus has a similar effect on us is that it keeps the immune system burdened and busy. 

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah.

TRINN: So the Ly-Fu-Mo formula we created for actually a physician, a doctor who we have been working with, she got really sick. She'd been managing Lyme's and co-infections, 26 co-infections for about ten years. And she was putting herself into a hospice and put all of her stuff into an estate sale and was giving up. And one of her friends told us what was happening and asked if we could help. And she actually went there and sat with her on the phone because she didn't have a phone anymore and said, listen to these people, they want to help. And we spent about an hour and a half, two hours on the phone and it was very teary, teary conversation. But long story short, she decided to go home and not go to the hospice and to give it 30 days using the medicine. And so we sent it to her, her friend paid for it, very lovingly. 

And about three weeks in, she started to have a big turnaround and was able to function and walk and eat and cook for herself and things that she just wasn't able to do. And so we continued on a protocol under Amchi's guidance for her and started to get all of these things under control. And she's now able to work again as a result of using the Ly-Fu-Mo (Lyme, Fungus, Mold) formula. She's been able to get all of those co-infections under control and is now remediating the Lyme that's really embedded in her system. But she's climbing out of that hole that she had not been able to find any resources for previous to this formula.

MARTIN: One more thing that comes to mind in this context is root canals. Great many people have root canals, and root canals are a source of constant reinfection. They don't realize it. They may not be aware of it, but this type of supplement will help to mitigate the effect of this in a big way.

TRINN: Yeah. And that is one of the biomedical applications of Turquoise Dragon, it is for teeth infections and gum infections. It's very effective for them. Right. So if you're dealing with problems in your mouth, if it's a long term thing, then that will help to keep that at bay. And for some of our customers, that's why they purchased Turquoise Dragon.

MARTIN: All right. Okay. So we have the SETI which is the terpenes. We have the, what do you call that?

TRINN: The Advanced Tibetan infusions.

MARTIN: Okay. And then I saw some things that look more like gels and skin applications. Right?

TRINN: Yeah. We have our topicals. Here's one right here. I use this myself on a daily basis.

MARTIN: Icy Blue. What would you do with that?

TRINN: I have four different types of arthritis and it's hard for me to lift weights, which I wasn't able to do, but I can now. And so I put that on before I go to the gym on whatever muscle group I'm working out and I can lift without all the aches and pains and I don't have as much downtime afterwards. I use it if I'm out in the hot, mowing the lawn, I'll put it on the back of my neck. It'll cool you right down and take the inflammation away. 

It has DMSO in there, which means it absorbs very, very, very effectively into deep tissue. And that formula, it's gotten me through some pretty rough times through my own recovery. 

We have five topicals total. We have another gel which is a heating gel that's called Focus Heat. That's our strongest analgesic pain reliever. That'll cut through really severe pain. If you can't walk to the bedroom, you put that on the space that's hurting, and you'll be able to walk to the bedroom. It's very strong and it lasts a long time. It has a time-release technology so that the heating aspect doesn't start until your body starts to proliferate more inflammation an then that heating begins. And so, I can put it on at 8:00 in the morning and at 6 p.m. I'm still feeling the heating sensation and I'm still receiving the effects from the topicals.

TRINN: We then have lotions, ones called Relieve. Relieve was actually the first lotion we ever made. I used that lotion to get myself off of some gels that I was being prescribed at the time for arthritis. And that's a hemp lotion base also contains DMSO, but that is generally used for people that are dealing with arthritic pain or a pre-existing injury long term, where they'll need a little bit of support every day or every week, and they'll use that as needed, or just to kind of keep things at bay on a daily basis when they get up in the morning. 

That is very effective for arthritic type pain. We've had pianists who aren't able to play the piano anymore. After ten years, they start using this and they're sending us songs that they played on their piano and thanking us. 

And so those three are very formidable for pain and inflammation and healing in general. We then have two that are for the face and for skin inflammation. One is called Vibrant Face, which is safe for the whole face and the whole body. It's non-comedogenic. And then we have a Balance pH formula, which we designed for inflammatory skin conditions like psoriasis and eczema. But usually those two work best with the Turquoise Dragon addressing things internally is oftentimes related to the immune system.

MARTIN: Yeah. Ok. What have I missed? Three categories.

TRINN: Well, the most special category is the Tibetan Special Pills. They are really the epitome of eastern pharmacology.

MARTIN: You mean these little balls in cloth?

TRINN: Yeah. Let me see if I can find one here. Hold on one second.

TRINN: All right, so they come in this cute little golden colored bag. But you need to take one out.

TRINN: It's an EMF protector.

MARTIN: You have it open? Yes. You do. Okay, so this is actually a tiny. Is it silk or is it something?

TRINN: Yeah, it's Tibetan silk.

MARTIN: It's silk.

TRINN: So these come back directly from the medical monasteries in Bhutan and Nepal. And these are considered the epitome of eastern medicine. We talk about mineral medicine, these Rinchen pills actually contain crystals just like the ones that are behind you in different types. They understand the frequency of the crystals in healing. And so these are called precious Rinchen Jewel pills, hence the name jewel pills. They're not taken like regular medications. They're taking one every seven days, sometimes one every 30 days. And they stay active within your biochemistry for all that time. 

MARTIN: Right on. It should be said that these are not going to be available on the Life Enthusiast website. You will need to get counsel directly with Trinn to be able to get that.

TRINN: Yes. One of the obligations we have to the monasteries is that they would like us to offer these sacred medicines to all beings at the same price and to not show any exclusiveness, but only inclusiveness. And so we offer them at the same price and distribute them throughout the West. But they're very hard to keep in stock. It's not an endless supply of these. And so we reserve them for people that really need them. And when you when you're interested in them, we have a email address for a number that you can call to learn more information about them.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah, we will definitely be writing messages about it, explaining each one of them and how they're used. All right.

TRINN: So we have seven of the, or five sorry, of the Rinchen precious pills. We have one that is called Richen Jumar 25. That's for the brain and nervous system. Another that is called Turquoise 25 and this is a liver enzyme, liver regeneration pill. We have another that's called Chakril Chenmo. And Chakril Chenmo is for the eyes, for all types of eye disorders. Another is called Precious Wish Fulfilling Jewel. And we actually just received those yesterday for the first time in over a year. They're very hard to get, but these are pills that are used for drying up uric acid, for snakebites, venom, any type of insects, any type of poison, even something out of shed, a chemical. It's very, very potent for helping the body to fight off anything like that. 

And then the last one is called Rinchen Mangor Chenma. And this is a stomach and intestinal pill. So we use this for people that have all kinds of gut biome issues, digestive issues, long term chronic diseases and disorders. It helps to reestablish balance in the gut biome and to provide regenerative and restorative support. 

In addition to these pills that are called rich and precious pills, we also have the traditional Tibetan pill medicines, and those come in just little brown balls of different sizes. And we have, I think about 15 of those available on the website. I won't run through them all because there's a lot, but we have things for the prostate, things for anxiety and depression, pills for even meditating and mood. Other pills for internal organ, viral infections and really specialized aspects of healing support that we don't currently have in our infusions, which is the reason why we bring these Tibetan pill medicines in.

MARTIN: All right. Good. Trinn and Mary-Anne, I thank you both for taking part in this today. I'm sure this is going to be fascinating to the audience. And we will direct them to the pages where we will have the listings and descriptions and the details that go with it. So, thank you very much. This has been a pleasure and an honor. Thank you.

TRINN: Yes, thank you very much.

MARY-ANNE: Thank you so much. Thank you.

MARTIN: Take care. This has been Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast Co-op. Thank you for being here today. You can find us at Life-enthusiast.com