Podcast 551: Overcoming Leg Cramps: The Balance of Minerals & Healthy Habits

SCOTT: Have you ever been sound asleep and then suddenly your calf muscles lock up, and oh, it is so painful. One second you're resting peacefully, the next you're in agony. Your toes may curl, your calves catch up. Nighttime cramps actually are pretty common. And most people don't understand what causes them and what can be done about it. And that's today's topic. We're going to start right after this. 

Welcome everybody. This is the Life Enthusiast Health Shots podcast. Restoring vitality to you and the planet. I'm your host, Scott Paton. Our other host, Martin Pytela, health engineer. Martin, how are you doing today?

MARTIN: Doing good, though I'm underslept. So, if my eyes are looking like little pee holes in the snow, that's because I'm underslept. I've had a difficult night.

SCOTT: Oh, no.

MARTIN: I was worried. I was woken up too early, in terrible stress.

SCOTT: Mmm. Sorry to hear.

MARTIN: But it has been resolved. My worry was for not.

SCOTT: That's what they say, isn't it? 97% of the things we worry about never happen.

MARTIN: Well, I mean, I had a serious problem, but it has been worked on and resolved.

SCOTT: Resolved. Yeah. Either it never happened, or once you've resolved it, it's fine. And isn't that the weird thing: I procrastinate when I've got a whole bunch of things going on. And George says, "Sorry to hear that, Martin."

MARTIN: Yeah. Just to explain, George, my problem was business. All of a sudden, the two-factor authentication stopped working, and I couldn't move money, and I was not able to make payroll and pay off credit cards and do all kinds of stuff. So. Arrgh.

SCOTT: There's nothing like having lots of money, but you can't touch it.

MARTIN: Yeah. Like that. Exactly like that.

SCOTT: For me. I travel a lot, and when I'm on my way to the airport, I'm always concerned that a) they're not going to let me on the plane and b) that customs are not going to let me through and/or I'm going to miss the plane.

MARTIN: Yeah.

SCOTT: And I always say to myself, there's millions of people that take these flights every year. And so I'm pretty sure that it'll be successful. 

MARTIN: How many times have you already done it? Right.

SCOTT: Yeah, that's right. However, in those times, I have shown up a day late for a flight.

MARTIN: Oh, really?

SCOTT: Twice.

MARTIN: Oh my gosh. And so that meant that you had to pay a second time for the same ticket?

SCOTT: Well, actually, I was lucky because it was quite a while ago and they just changed the ticket for me. And actually it's been probably four or five times. And once was a flight that went from Mexico to Spain.

MARTIN: Wow.

SCOTT: And I was in Cancun and I missed a flight to Mexico City, which meant I missed the flight from Mexico City to Spain. And I was just totally ready to, in my mind it’s okay, I'm going to pay 800 bucks to go. But what happened was the Spanish airline, which is what I took to get to Mexico because it was a return flight, is Iberia, it uses Avianca to return to Mexico City and then Iberia to go to Spain. But they didn't say anything and I'm looking for Iberia I can't find, nobody knows what I'm even saying and so I thought well, I can't do anything in Cancun. So I bought a ticket to Mexico City, and then I went to see the guy, and I'm telling him everything, and I'm just this far away from bursting into tears, because I only have a day in Spain and then I fly to Kenya. So, this is a long trip that I broke into two parts. And I thought, I'm going to miss this other flight, too. So, he's listening to me but working away. And then I realized he was putting me on the next flight. I said, "You're putting me on the next flight?" He goes, "Yeah." I just had this wave of relief. So, I told the Airbnb lady, "Hey, Marla, good afternoon. Glad to have you." And she ended up picking me up. So, I actually missed my sleep, but she picked me up and then I spent the day at the Airbnb and then she drove me back to the airport. So, it all worked out fine in the end, but tremendous stress.

SCOTT: Let's get back to Magnesium. We've got a little presentation that I want to bring up.

MARTIN: Yeah, let's do that.

SCOTT: And it's the anatomy.

MARTIN: You know what's interesting? Magnesium is the mineral that gets depleted the most when we're under stress.

SCOTT: Yeah. And we're always under stress.

MARTIN: Are you at the beginning?

SCOTT: Bring up George's thing again, John.

MARTIN: Are you really at the beginning?

SCOTT: I probably am. Yeah. I’m at slide one. Anatomy of a night cramp.

MARTIN: All right. All right.

SCOTT: “Minerals. Minerals. Colloidal minerals.” George says. Yes.

MARTIN: Well, okay. So, in this case, we want to talk ionic. What's interesting, the difference between ionic and colloidal is the following. Milk is an example of a colloid. The particles suspended in water are small enough that they appear to be uniform, but they in fact are not dissolved. They're just suspended. Whereas salt in water or or what else in water? Sugar in water dissolves completely, disappears. That's ionic. Where the two or three components of the material- mineral, in this case, actually disconnect. So table salt for example, has sodium and chloride, and they separate from one another, and they just are suspended in water, and if you evaporate all of the water you'll get the salt back.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: Anyway, so let's run with your thing.

SCOTT: Sure. So we have tension, and we have relaxation. So obviously something has triggered your calf muscle to cause the cramp or your feet muscles.

MARTIN: Yeah. The body is just so amazing in the functioning of it. And there are two minerals that direct the shortening and the lengthening, or the initiation or the dampening. In the case of a nerve, calcium drives activation. Magnesium drives relaxation. In the sense of muscles, calcium drives the shortening of the muscle and magnesium drives the lengthening of the muscle. And if you have an imbalance, guess what happens? Here's the anatomy of the signal, right?

SCOTT: Yeah. You get that cramp.

MARTIN: You get that signal, and if you have the shortening or the initiation out of balance with the lengthening or the dampening, you end up pulling on the length of the fiber. Anyway, there you go. There it is.

SCOTT: It's an involuntary contraction. And it’s a powerful one.

MARTIN: Yeah. Enough contractile force to literally rip your tendon. And it will.

SCOTT: It wakes you up.

MARTIN: Oh, yeah.

SCOTT: And it causes damage to the tissue.

MARTIN: It's painful. Post-cramp, you hurt. It doesn't just go away. You've actually suffered a micro-injury.

SCOTT: So, the problem, however, is not your muscle; it's your nerves. They're super excited, and they control your muscles.

MARTIN: Yeah. There's a milder form of this called restless leg syndrome.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: Where you are woken up by a twitch. Where your leg kicks. But if it goes…

Why does pickle juice immediately help? It's the astringent and the sodium. You know what's interesting? There are several strategies that people have used to deal with cramps. One is the calcium-magnesium imbalance. The other one is the sodium-potassium imbalance. And the third one is something bitter, or I don't know what you'd call it. Well, bitter would be good. Pickles is great. So, yeah, we have landed only on one of the four possible solutions to the problem, the calcium and magnesium.

SCOTT: Right. So, your nerve is hyper-excited, and that part is calcium, whereas the magnesium is where you're going to get the relaxation that you need.

MARTIN: Right. So, let's point out the sodium. If you are depleted in sodium for some reason, the quickest way to deplete sodium is to sweat more than what you're used to. And also drink too much water. It's hard to drink too much water. It's more likely that you just under-salted your food relative to the amount of sweating that you're doing.

SCOTT: So, Martin, this is a really good time to bring up this. “Oh, salt is bad, and it's going to cause this, and it's going to cause that.”

MARTIN: Oh, yet another myth. Let me tell you what the problem is: cortisol, the signaling molecule for stress or fight-or-flight, is causing sodium retention. So the doctors say to people, your high blood pressure is associated with high sodium levels in your blood. Well, it’s like when there's fire, you hear these sirens.

SCOTT: Yeah. So, they must be causing it.

MARTIN: They must be causing it. No, there's an association and not direct at that. Anyway, if you or when you ingest sodium chloride, chloride stays in your stomach and is later used to make hydrochloric acid, the stuff you need to digest proteins. And the sodium is shunted off to your pancreas, where it's going to be combined with carboxylic acid, or carbon dioxide, the gas and water, and in combination they make sodium bicarbonate, and that is what will neutralize the highly acidic chyme that's coming out of your stomach into the small intestine. It's just so beautifully balanced, one for one. One salt in the stomach to make acid, and the potassium to make the neutralizer, and it all balances out.

SCOTT: Yeah. So, if you're on a salt-free diet, it's not balancing out at all.

MARTIN: Yeah. You must stop sweating. That's why the vegetarians are so tired looking.

SCOTT: And so, getting back to Magnesium, it plays an important physiological role in your normal muscle and nerve function. Contraction and relaxation require balance because as one contracts down here, you're relaxed, because otherwise, if this was short and this was short, it wouldn't work. 

MARTIN: You lock up. Yeah. The funny thing is, you're demonstrating the curl. So when you're doing a curl, the bicep is shortening, but the tricep has to be lengthening. So when you want to straighten the arm, your bicep has to lengthen while the tricep pulls it.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: And this actually is most visible or most demonstrated in athletes when they pull their hamstring because the hamstring is the bottom muscle on your thigh. The quadriceps is the top side. And so when your knee is going up, the quad is pulling hard, and the hamstring is supposed to lengthen. But when you don't have enough magnesium, the hamstring is not lengthening fast enough. It's cramping on you, and you'll pull it. You'll tear the muscle.

SCOTT: All right. So, and this is what we were talking about. Calcium pulls the trigger. It contracts. Magnesium relaxes.

MARTIN: It's the opposite. Yeah.

SCOTT: It’s the opposite. And you need to have both and we tend to have more calcium.

MARTIN: Yeah. Contemplate this, in your heart, 60 times a minute. Once a second when you're resting, twice a second when you're in full activity, and three times a second if you're really excited. This has to signal: squeeze, relax, squeeze, relax. Just imagine the chemistry that's going on in just the heart alone.

SCOTT: Yeah. Okay. So, and it's a good thing you brought up the heart, right? Because the body is going to protect the heart, and if it has a problem like a magnesium deficiency, first you're going to be finding it in the foot and in the calf, and then it's going to move up and up and up until finally it's the heart that has the problem.

MARTIN: Yeah, a heart attack is the ultimate demonstration of a cramp.

SCOTT: Oh, yeah. I never thought of it that way. It really is a cramp. 

MARTIN: Well, no. A heart attack itself is like oxygen lost and muscle dying and all of that. But when you are clutching your chest in pain, that's hypoxia. That's the crampiness.

SCOTT Right. So, if you're finding you've got a lot of cramps going on, check out magnesium.

MARTIN: The difficult thing with us living in North America is that our soils are magnesium deficient. And if you're eating food as the ever so smart pharmacist will tell you, if you eat a wholesome diet, you'll be fine. Nonsense. You won't be fine. If you don't supplement Magnesium on top of what's coming on the fork, you're going to be deficient.

SCOTT: Yeah. Say nothing about what people think a good meal is.

MARTIN: Oh, yeah. On top of that.

SCOTT: Yeah, let's just use canola oil to deep fry our potatoes.

MARTIN: All right.

SCOTT: So, let's continue harassing the medical establishment by saying that what they're going to do is they're going to give you a blood test.

MARTIN: Right.

SCOTT: And they're going to decide whether your magnesium is good or bad based on your blood test.

MARTIN: Yeah. 99% of the magnesium in your body is not in your blood. It's in your bones, and it's in the nerves, and it's all over in every tissue out there.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: So the body will protect the blood electrolyte balance at the expense of all the peripheries. You just said that on the previous slide. I will let the foot go, but I will protect the heart.

SCOTT: Yeah. And if 1% of the magnesium needs to be in your blood and there's no magnesium in your blood. It's going to pull it out of your bones. It's going to pull it out of your organs. It's going to pull it out of everywhere to protect your blood.

MARTIN: Yes, sir.

SCOTT: Because without the blood, you're dead. So, we don't mind losing a leg if you're alive. That's how the body thinks, right?

MARTIN: Yeah. It's designed that way.

SCOTT: So, here's, we talked a little bit about this a few minutes ago. The drain on magnesium.

MARTIN: Yeah. The soils are the problem, definitely, because if it's not in the soil, it's not going to be in the meal.

SCOTT: Right. And then you're stressed or like coffee now you're getting rid of it.

MARTIN: Yeah, you're flushing it out because stress has a demand, right? Stress is the shortening; stress is the activation of the calcium and then depletes magnesium if you keep pushing the stress button.

SCOTT: Right. And then there are things that we eat that block absorption.

MARTIN: Yeah. The worst of it is, of course, carbohydrates like cake and donuts and bread and pasta and rice and potato. Those are all putting demand on magnesium. And then use oxalates. Yeah. Oxalates and phytates. Oxalates are really weird, right? It's the spinach and chocolate that are your issues there.

SCOTT: Right. So, I keep seeing places where spinach is not necessarily a good thing to eat. And so, what's your opinion on spinach?

MARTIN: In the old country, spinach was only served cooked with milk or with cottage cheese. It was never served raw. And the reasoning for that was that the oxalate which is highly acidic, that's in the spinach needs to be neutralized before it hits your blood. So if you neutralize it by cooking it with something that's high in calcium, the salicylate will bind with the calcium in the pot. So then when you eat it, you get all the nutrition that's in the spinach, and the crystal of the salicylate, salicylic acid is neutralized.

When you eat raw spinach salad, the digestive system gets it. It hits the blood, and now the kidneys are dealing with it. And if the calcium meets the salicylic acid in your kidneys, you're going to get kidney stones. And that's the story.

SCOTT: There you go. Man, you're just an encyclopedia of knowledge, Martin. That was a question that was spontaneous, and you had no preparation, and that was an amazing answer. And so Popeye the sailor man really did a whole generation bad.

MARTIN: Well, I don't know.

SCOTT: He squeezed the can of spinach. It would throw through the air. He'd eat it. He'd be strong, and he'd beat up the bad guy.

MARTIN: Yeah. Okay. So, spinach is rich in iron, and iron builds proteins, especially red muscle flesh, right? So, that's a cool thing, right? I mean, that was the whole idea. Build your blood, build your muscle. Eat spinach. There's wisdom in it, but eat it cooked for God's sake.

SCOTT: Yeah. And in a cream.

MARTIN: Yeah. Calcium.

SCOTT: Or with cheese. There's a lot of times I've seen a pastry that has spinach in it and feta cheese.

MARTIN: Yes. Spanokopita. A Greek thing, right?

SCOTT: Yeah.

MARTIN: Cheese filling surrounded by spinach, baked together all in one go.

SCOTT: Yeah.

MARTIN: That is the traditional way of eating it. Okay, folks. Spanakopita on you.

SCOTT: Well, there was a Greek festival here in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, last week, and my mom and my sister and I went to it, and that's one of the things that we ate.

MARTIN: Uhhuh. Those little triangular flaky,

SCOTT: That’s why I feel so strong today. And the third thing when it comes to draining magnesium is old age and chemistry.

MARTIN: Well, medication is the worst, right? It's the drugs, for example, a calcium channel blocker like metoprolol or nifedipine or whatever, I don't know, all the drug names I don't remember all of it, but those drugs the calcium channel blockers are essentially an excuse to try and block the excess of calcium. The answer should have been, "Feed me magnesium." Contemplate this, Scott. The number of prescriptions for calcium channel blockers is just phenomenal. Just about everybody over 50 is on it.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: And those are the people who are experiencing the imbalance between calcium and magnesium. And the pharmaceutical solution is to “let's block the calcium response.” The nutritional solution is, “Let's provide the missing magnesium.”

SCOTT: Right. Let's create the balance that we're used to and designed. George, “Our pharma friends.” Yes.

MARTIN: Yes. Yes. Well, and then the last one was the alcohol, of course. “Should I prepare my moringa leaves with that?” Well, yeah. Okay. If you really want to go good, then moringa and coral calcium in a smoothie. Yes, sir. That's how we mix it at Exsula. When we make a superfood blend. We do use moringa leaf, and we use coral calcium in the same mix.

SCOTT: There you go. All right. So that's it. We want to, yeah, stomach acid. The trick is to stay healthy, and the answer, the trick to staying healthy, is join us every Wednesday live, ask your questions, and see where we go. So not all magnesium is equal, and actually there's a third one in addition to magnesium oxide, magnesium glycinate.

MARTIN: Well, it's like this, right? The main point is that if you're supplementing with the oxide, you're giving yourself a bit of an illusion because the oxide is really effective at flushing your bowel. If you have constipation, magnesium oxide is phenomenally useful, but you don't absorb much. Its absorbability is around 4 or 5%. Whereas, look at George again, George the winner, right? This guy is like a walking encyclopedia of doing it right. 

SCOTT: I put my moringa powder with goat milk and cow's milk.

MARTIN: Yeah.

SCOTT: Perfect. Thank you, George. All right, so magnesium oxide is not the best to use.

MARTIN: For magnesium supplementation, it's excellent to use for constipation.

SCOTT: And magnesium glycinate is more highly bioavailable.

MARTIN: Yeah. The glycinate is really good, especially for people who want to take it in the evening. When you take a high dose of magnesium, it will cause a bowel flush within about an hour. So if you want to take it to relax. You can't go to sleep until you empty it, or it will wake you urgently. 

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: So for that magnesium glycinate, you need much less of it, and much more of it will be used in the nervous system. 

SCOTT: Exactly. And magnesium tends to be watered down. It's got magnesium in it but not very much.

MARTIN: Well, yeah, you want to have a decent dose. This is complicated. At one time, you can safely take somewhere between 150 and 200 milligrams of magnesium before you activate the flushing that I just mentioned. So, a 300 mg magnesium glycinate is probably okay because that's going to be about right. If you take four of those pills all at the same time, you're going to give yourself the flush, too.

SCOTT: Okay. So, now let's talk about some of the things that help magnesium, which would be some vitamins.

MARTIN: Yeah. Nothing works on its own. There's an important three-way between magnesium, vitamin D, and vitamin B6, of, how to put it,

SCOTT: So get out in the sun, everybody.

MARTIN: Yeah, get out in the sun. But B6 is hard to get out of food. You may as well supplement it. And then there's one more thing. Vitamin D3 needs to be taken with K2. With K2, it goes into bones. Without the K2, it goes into your arteries. So there is, layer upon layer, that the complexity of things gets bigger.

SCOTT: So, well, we'll go on a little bit of a sidebar here since you brought up going into the bones. Most people think, "Oh, I need more calcium. If I don't have calcium, I'm going to get osteoporosis, but calcium is like the brick in the wall." And the magnesium is like the mortar that holds the brick in the wall, if we can use that analogy. So, you need both of those. And George says, "That's a good point, Martin."

MARTIN: Sure.

SCOTT: What about my point, George? I had a point too, you know. All right. So, the activation paradox.

MARTIN: Oh yeah, of course. The more magnesium you put in, the more vitamin D you need to have. If you supplement vitamin D you need to take magnesium, otherwise hell breaks loose. The yin and the yang of it. You have to have both or else.

SCOTT: Yeah. “You too, Scott.” Thank you, George. So, I was just thinking about those people in North America, usually January, February, it's cold, the sun gets up at 9 in the morning, goes down at 3:00 in the afternoon. You're working, you don't get a lot of sun, so you're not getting a lot of vitamin D. So, what they do is they go down to Mexico, and they sit on a beach. So, now they're getting tons of vitamin D, but they should be supplementing their trip with magnesium if they're getting all that vitamin D because otherwise it's not really going to do as much good as it 

MARTIN: So, they should really go instead to the Dead Sea, either Israel or Jordan, and swim in the Dead Sea because Dead Sea is 30% magnesium. Haha. Very rich. Any, or else, if you're going to do it at home, go buy yourself some Epsom salts or Dead Sea salt or magnesium chloride salt and put that in your bathtub.

SCOTT: Right. Because we've really been talking about putting the magnesium in your mouth, but that's not the only way it can be absorbed.

MARTIN: That's a fact. In fact, it's when you want to have a lot of magnesium brought into the body, your skin is your best friend because, one, you have more surface area, and two, you're bypassing the bowel flush problem.

SCOTT: Digestive system. Yeah.

MARTIN: So, you can absorb a lot more magnesium. Yeah.

SCOTT: In a bath. And that also relaxes you, right? Everyone has a hot bath, they're nice and relaxed. Gets the stress down.

MARTIN: Yeah. I'm again ahead of myself with these stories, right? Here's the 150 to 200 milligrams per dose. So, you need to spread it out. Then there's a good suggestion. Yeah. Good suggestion to propose GABA. Gamma-aminobutyric acid is a thing that helps you relax. It helps your brain to slow down.

SCOTT: Cool. All right. Now, the other thing too is you may find that there's no change, no change, no change, and you're going to give up, and that's a mistake,

MARTIN: Right? The “It's not working” problem. Yeah. This is the curse of the geometric line or exponential curve. I remember doing this example, when you ask a person, so I have a pond, and I have lilies in the pond, and they double in area every day, and they will cover the pond in 30 days. On which day is the pond 90% empty? And the answer is 8 days before, on day 22. So you have 22 days, you reach 10%, then double-double-double, and you're fully covered.

SCOTT: Right. Compounding interest is amazing.

MARTIN: Yeah. Right. And that's the elbow of that curve.

SCOTT: And that's also one of the issues that we run into being in the health industry, it's like, well, I tried doing what you said for three days. I didn't notice any difference.

It's like you spent 30 years getting,

MARTIN: Yeah. You went from 1% to 4%. The 96% were still waiting to be fulfilled.

SCOTT: So, it's really a matter of education, making sure that you're getting good advice and then having the patience to let it happen. It's the same with, I had a friend that was a psychologist, right? And they told me we always start with “How are you feeling? Write it down now.” Because if your mind is awful and it's a nine out of 10 and we've worked through a lot of things, and all of a sudden you're relaxed and everything else. The mind doesn't remember the stress and the pain and all the rest of it. So you think “Oh I'm fine. Nothing happened.” Whereas a lot happened, and I think it's the same with our health if something is not right, but then we fix it, we think “Oh it wasn't that bad.”

So keep that in mind and be grateful for the health that you've got, so here's the cramp-free equation…

MARTIN: Yeah, okay, supplement magnesium, supplement vitamin D, supplement vitamin B6, and give it time and you will be sleeping calmly, cramp-free. It all works together.

SCOTT: It does. All right. So, we have some magnesium products we want to talk about.

Why don't we talk about Topical Everything first?

MARTIN: Sure thing. Yeah. Pick it out. Show me a tiny little bottle with a sprayer on top with a dark liquid. in it. We take magnesium, well, we start with water. We harmonize the water. We dissolve magnesium chloride in it. And then we take that supreme menstruum, and we extract into it kelp and alfalfa. So the plant from the ocean and the plant from the soil, with all of its nutrients extracted from the dirt and the sea, and it all goes in. So this is your Topically Everything spray. You can take it internally, but you can spray it all over your body, and it will deliver not just the magnesium but all the other required nutrients.

SCOTT: Well, kelp is a really good thing to get into your body, isn't it? It's high in iodine and,

MARTIN: Yeah, and all the trace minerals that the ocean contains.

SCOTT: Okay, so let's take a look now at Magnesium HP. 

MARTIN: Oh yeah, that's the glycinate. That's our favorite magnesium glycinate. Made to a wonderful standard, readily available. Take it, take it, enjoy it.

SCOTT: And the last one. 

MARTIN: And notice the price. So you currently are pricing it in Canadian, but what the heck?

SCOTT: Because that's where I am.

MARTIN: Show the next one. So this is 90 capsules, I think. Now this here is,

SCOTT: Magnesium oil.

MARTIN: This is 90 servings but at half the price. And that's the main trick here. The Magnesium Oil is, you can ingest it if you want, but it doesn't taste good. It's bitter. Magnesium chloride is a bitter salt. But you can apply it topically. I put it on my toothbrush, and I put it in my hair, and I put it in my armpits because of course, this magnesium concentrate is the best deodorant you can find. The bacteria don't like it.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: And you can rub it all over anywhere. I remember a friend who plays master's level hockey. He said he'd rub it on his body and then get on the ice and tirelessly couldn't wear himself out. 

SCOTT: Oh, nice.

MARTIN: Loads of energy because when you are covered in magnesium, you are not fighting your muscles. You're relaxed. You're running like a cheetah.

SCOTT: There you go. And I happen to have my bottle right here.

MARTIN: Look at Scott.

SCOTT: Put it on in the evening, let it dry, and then I go to bed.

MARTIN: All right. Awesome tool.

SCOTT: All right. So, that's the story on magnesium and cramps. If you get the cramps, you're deficient in some stuff, you need to get balanced. And like anything else, when you're in balance, you have a lot of options. When you're out of balance, then there's not too much you can do.

MARTIN: Right.

SCOTT: And if you're out of balance on the magnesium, then the only option your body has is to wake you up in the middle of the night with a massive cramp and say, "Smarten up."

MARTIN: Right. It could be the sodium, it could be the pickle juice and it could be something else. Bitter things may be needed.

SCOTT: Right.

MARTIN: Anyway, but magnesium is the flagship for sure. You need to test that first before other things.

SCOTT: Great. Thank you, George. Nice comment. Really appreciate that. And “Good for you, Scott.” All right. Thank you. I'm getting the praise now that I whined and cried for five minutes.

MARTIN: Yes, poor Scott. 

SCOTT: Thank you for joining us everybody. Martin, thank you for taking time out of your busy day. We always take the phones out of Martin's office before we start because they constantly ring because everybody's looking for advice and they're looking for help and we're here to do both of that. We're here to restore vitality to you and the planet. We'll see you next Wednesday everybody. Thanks for joining us. Bye for now.

MARTIN: Bye-bye.